Can you briefly introduce yourself?
- Valeriy Predtechenskiy, the developer of
the structure of dialectical method in sociology and political
economy, and – on this basis – of a system of communist
self-administration by communes of production enterprises. I
co-operate with the SB of the MLP, participate in
[Russian-language] e-mailing lists "Impulse", "Working
Struggle", "Marxist review".
http://predtechenskij-valerij.narod.ru/curriculum_vitae.htm
1 It’s twenty years since the fall of the
Berlin Wall in 1989, a few years later saw the end of the
Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. How do you evaluate the
events of 1989-1991 in the USSR in light of aspirations at the
time? Was it a victory or a defeat?
- Against the background of the highest
technical achievements of the productive forces of the USSR
and the people's democracy countries there occurred an
ideological decomposition of the society. The class of
managers, of all ranks and levels, were striving for their
liberation from the tyranny of the Central Committee of the
CPSU (together with the KGB – the guard of the ideology). The
working class, in a Communist manner despising their chiefs
and managers, were disappointed with the ideological
directions of "building up communism", which was allegedly
being built but could not for the life of them have been
achieved.
The USSR suffered a defeat in the Cold War,
in its competition with the more powerful economic grouping of
imperialism. The democratic ideology of personal liberties and
the higher personal and living standard achievements of the
imperialist encirclement were beyond compare after the lifting
of the "Iron Curtain". The destruction of the "Concrete Wall"
only accelerated the process of degradation of the countries
of socialism (i. e. of the state monopolism, the history does
not know any other genuine socialism - the Swedish "socialism"
and the Italian and German national-socialisms - do not count
as being imperialist ones)*.
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* NB. Any socialism is bourgeois, but not
communist, since socialism – the public – envisages a
universal mass meeting of individuals and, subsequently,
leaders of a non-organised people and of peoples. (It
envisages) the exploitation of man by man. That's just what
occurred in the USSR.
As to communism, it, on the contrary,
envisages a production self-management – the self-activity –
in the concrete collective process of production, the freedom
of the organised and directly interacting working people. (It
envisages) a system of communes.
The difference is essential.
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After the destruction of the "socialist camp"
(having lost the support of the USSR there suffered all the
socialist countries except China) there came the turn of moral
as well as technical degradation of the rest of the countries
– of the victorious imperialist ones.
2. How would you characterise the society
that existed before 1989-91 and society today? Is there any
continuity between them?
- Historically, according to the level of
concentration of material means of production in money terms
(i. e. in capital), three phases of capitalism can be
distinguished:
(1) The capitalism of landlords and merchants
- the "feudal", small-scale commodity one. Free labour, wage
slaves, proletarians do not yet exist in it. Only isolated
enterprises have been capitalised. The free competition of
entrepreneurs is still bounded by the power of landlords, the
manpower of society being concentrated in their property.
(2) The labour force has been liberated from
its serfdom and abruptly fills up the labour market. Small
enterprises are dramatically absorbed by their stronger
competitors. There arise magnates of industrial sectors,
monopolies of industrial sectors and "empires" of industrial
sectors. This capitalist phase of the sectoral monopolism was
called "imperialism" by Lenin.
(3) Following the victory of Soviet Russia in
the Civil War the same Lenin practically organised, and Stalin
subsequently totalised, under the name of "socialism", the
third, state-capitalist phase. This is the third and last
phase of capitalism - the highest and last capitalist mode of
production, the highest level of concentration of material
means of production. However, the state monopolism (as well as
any controversial-in-itself capitalism) is not able to claim
for the world supremacy.
The society with domination of state monopoly
on the material means of production, the Soviet Union,
represented the highest level of capitalist concentration of
public material means of production in hands of the state. –
The state as a unitary capitalist, represented by the
Politbureau [i. e. the
Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the CPSU –
translator’s footnote]. There was a
unitary system of forming the productive forces. All the
sectors of the [national] economy were subordinated to a
unitary state management.
The population of the country was universally
proletarianised in a unitary system of payment for works.
Only the people of the agricultural branch of
production "dropped out" of this system. With their ‘personal
subsidiary holdings’, the farmers seemed to remain in the
small-scale capitalism. However, the same Lenin had wrongly
identified the "peasants" as a separate social class,
"friendly" to the working class.
But then again a class-like "layer" of
intelligentsia took its clear shape. Officially, people were
divided into "workers" and "employees", the latter included
military men and managers.
The third class - the upper one - (the CC of
the CPSU) was also attributed to the notorious "layer".
The USSR ideologists in a "Marxist-Leninist"
manner, i. e. dogmatically, always contrasted (and this
opinion still remains) two classes - workers and peasants
(although only workers belonged to the state-monopoly mode of
production). And the managerial class, "the layer of
intelligentsia", was shamefully passed over in silence. As for
the masters of life - the CC of the CPSU – the universal
capitalists, even thinking about them was not encouraged.
The USSR collapsed, with the mode of
production directly falling through two phases (from the
highest to the lowest one) – down to the small-scale commodity
capitalism. That’s why the aristocratic regalia for the new
bourgeoisie as well as religious cults for the "people"
corresponding to the feudal and small-scale capitalism were
urgently called for. The predatory people quickly went on
looting, selling out and squandering the material wealth
accumulated over the whole period of the heroic efforts of
Soviet toilers.
At present, Russia is struggling up to the
"civilised" sectoral monopolism (imperialism). However, this
"rise" is again due to squandering the mineral wealth and in
no case due to the production of means of production. So
Russia's oligarchs, the richest billionaires are not a patch,
as the saying goes, on their Western competitors as regards
the productivity level.
Only the remains of the productive forces of
the country have preserved their Soviet continuity in terms of
their longing for the state monopolism and for planning their
own lives.
The history of social development is shown in
my book, http://predtechenskij-valerij.narod.ru/social_dialectics.htm, called Dialectics of Social Development. See
also its Section 9.2., Figure 21 - "Combined diagram (of
linear-stepped and chronological characteristics) of social
development with the imposition of variation of means of
living from anthropogenic impacts". In this paper with the
help of dialectical method I succeeded in identifying the
correspondence of material epochs (i. e. of productive forces)
to the modes of production (i. e. to the relations of
production). They are four economic formations (primitive
communist, slave-owning, capitalist, civilised-communist
ones). The triple character of each formation corresponds to
the twelve phases of social development.
3. Do you think the events of twenty years
ago represent the historic triumph of capitalism and the
defeat of communism?
- The defeat of the USSR is not yet the
defeat of communism. And the triumph of imperialism is like a
feast after a pyrrhic victory and during a plague as well.
Due to efforts of the USSR leaders who
implanted the idea of building up communism, we have got the
Marxist communist teaching in its primary sources.
We have got a negative experience of forming
a socialist society with universal proletarianisation of
population (with universal wage labour).
We have got a positive experience of
non-commodity exchange in the sphere of production of means of
production.
Among other things, the history has shown
that it is easier to make the qualitative revolutionary leap
from the previous phase of development, and not from the final
one. Or from the "weak link", having timed, as it was in 1917,
the general crisis of imperialism. To skip the "dead-end",
highest stage of capitalist development, even though it has
much more basic accumulations for the future social order (not
to ignore the now half-ruined Russia).
So the matter depends on the dialectical
Marxist communist social science which is qualitatively
different from the bourgeois formalist, chaotic compilations.
4. Many people considered that western style
capitalism would be progressive compared to the USSR, is that
still the case?
- Such formalist opinions about the
backwardness of the USSR were and are a good few. With their
opinions of this kind many left-wing Marxist ideologists close
up with right-wing bourgeois apologists. Exactly such "various
readings" of Marxism engendered, in general, a discord in the
working-class communist movement.
The sectoral monopolism of the Western type
(imperialism, in Lenin's definition) is the capitalism in the
phase of its particularity (i. e. the capitalism proper).
Therefore, it is most consistently defined constitutionally
and is conservatively stable (although being subject to
systematic crises) economically than the small-scale commodity
(feudalised) and the state-monopoly (totalitarianist
"statecap") "transitional", developing modes of production of
the capitalist formation.
5. Before 1989 there were dissident
communists, there was a long tradition of Marxists who
envisioned a far more radical social transformation. What
happened to this tradition, why did it not re-emerge?
- I myself and my father were dissidents
communist. But we were sure of the solidity of the USSR
socialism, and appealed only to the CC of the CPSU and to the
institutes of social sciences over the deviations from Marxism
in the social development.
I've heard about Sablin who was the commander
of a destroyer. I read, after the 1990, some works by Fetisov.
I know nothing else about the tradition of Marxists who
envisioned a more radical transformation of society.
Gorbachev's "glasnost" [openness] did not generate any united
front of dissident Marxists.
The philosophical seminars, "universities of
Marxism-Leninism" and institutes of social sciences, where we
tried to act alone in a production-commune manner, more and
more inclined to the pro-Western private-consumer
opportunism.
6. Russia has been reviving as a state power
and asserting itself, how is this viewed in Russia today?
- Just how Russia "has been reviving" and
"asserting itself" - you can see it from my reply to your 2nd
question. Here the views of the Left are mostly common.
As for the right-wing blood-suckers, they are
not worth mentioning: this world is theirs.
7. Many on the western left view America as
the main imperialist power to be opposed, do you think Russia
is also imperialist? How do you think the left in the West
should relate to Russia?
- Russia is a country of the sectoral
monopolism (see my reply to your 2nd question). It is, of
course, an imperialist country, but on the lowest level of
this capitalist phase, on the level of private seizing and
squandering of the public natural resources. That is why the
Western imperialist countries, and first of all the USA, view
Russia as an object of absorption.
This absorption, is, of course, being
realised by the way of liquidating the remains of the
highly-developed in the past productive forces with their
community-communist traditions. And this should be in no way
allowed, since the first communist revolution is to be most
easily realised in the weak link of imperialism.
The Left movement in the West already knows
the communitarian movement: the LIP in France, there’s
probably something of the sort in England; encouraging
information systematically comes from the United States. So, I
believe, the Left communitarians of the West must in no case
support Russia's pro-Western trade unionism. On the contrary,
they should detect and scientifically "spud" the shoots of
production self-management.
The Western Left should always remember that
the Left of Russia are not always dependents in the communist
movement. The Russian Left had and they still retain a
powerful Marxist school with the primary sources of works by
classics. Besides, the working-outs of
self-management procedures appeared in the USSR with entirely Marxist
filling.
8. What is the current situation of the
Russian working class and the prospects for the labour
movement?
- The working class of Russia, being subject
to trade-unionism, is disoriented in their protest
actions.
However, there are facts of take-overs of
enterprises by their work collectives into self-management.
And some collective bodies of dockers, car-assembly workers,
railway workers even tried to control the financial and sales
activities of their enterprises. If only the activists of
liberation of the working class from exploitation are provided
with the technique of self-management, the positive prospects
won't make wait for them.
9. What do you think the legacy of official
and dissident communism?
- The legacy of official "communism"
manifests itself in the propaganda of returning to the
socialist system of the USSR. This is the common sin of all
the present "Communist" parties headed by the openly
pro-bourgeois CPRF.
The dissident communism (of the Left) defines
the socialist system of the USSR – as a bourgeois one – the
"statecap". However, there prevails the view of the "backward
statecap". This opinion accents the fact that the USSR state
monopolism used feudal forms of governing the agriculture
(restricting the possibility of persons to move) as well as
the fact that the total state-capitalist [i. e. the State as 'Gesamtkapitalist' if we
use the famous expression by F. Engels – translator’s
footnote] neglected to provide the
population with domestic appliances.
I, personally, treat the USSR as an advanced
statecap. After all, despite the adverse natural conditions,
it ponderably competed with the sectoral monopolies of the
West, having been able to totally get its own branches of
industry under the state. Even Hitler had never dreamt of that
in the racist Germany. And with us it was solved relatively
easy in the course of Stalinisation due to the mere hope of
people for the communism to come. The sectoral monopolism does
not suppose to generate such expectations
10. What do you think the prospects are for
post-Stalinist left today? How do you think genuine communists
should organise and operate?
- Post-Stalinism now exists in the minds of
humanistic part of Russia's people. However, it has no future
and cannot have it at all, because you cannot disregard the
resulting historical experience of deception with Stalin's
apologetic "communist" idea: "communism" without having
communised the society, with no collective power, with no
self-motivation, without self-management in the production
process. That is the "communism" with hired labour. Moreover,
the new "dear God in the flesh", Stalin, is not expected in
the foreseeable future.
Hitlerism, in its national-racist
manifestation, is all the more not intrinsic in the Russian
working class who form the majority of population in
Russia.
Therefore, the genuine Communists must, first
of all, set themselves the aim of achieving the genuine
communism (see my reply to your 12-th question), as well as
organise themselves in a Communist manner, i. e. not in a
bourgeois democratic-centralist manner, but in a communitarian
one – by self-management and interchangeability. Thereafter,
[they must] gather in a fist the progressive Marxist scholars
who are proficient in dialectical logic (for calculating the
relation between the value and the use-value of labour
product) and the labour movement forces prone to
self-management (for taking-over enterprises by their
production collectives).
11. What would you say are the main
influences on left thought in Russia today?
- The biggest influence on left thought is
now exerted by the dispersional and dogmatic Marxism in its
opportunist and trade-unionist character. Further the subjects
of influence are: Trotskyism, anarchism, a pure-bourgeois
trade unionism.
A very weak influence in the "left thought"
has got the dialectical Marxism. It is in use, but again in a
dogmatic form, in the circles of the old
com[munist]-professors.
Spontaneous protests by workers against the
bourgeois robbery and mockery are taken by the Left
exclusively from the standpoint of statistics and information.
Being unorganised themselves, the Left do not even prepare any
methods for taking and holding power by workers in their
enterprises.
12. What do you think real communism means
today?
- Today the concept of "real communism" is
interpreted by many as the Stalinist socialism, but in a
philistinist manner - "with a human face". I. e. state
monopolism without totalitarian repressions is meant, i. e.
utopia. Moreover, the versions of such utopian constructions
are as numerous as their authors: you cannot count them.
Whereas the real (true) concept of the real
(true) communism, even according to the most simple and
primitive logic, should be determined as the highest
scientific achievement of mankind in its social structure.
Moreover, even in the slightest Marxist manner communism is
characterised "in the liberty and happiness of the ancient
gentes" (Morgan, Engels and Marx). I. e., real communism
represents a primitive communism, but at the highest level of
social development, using all the best in the achievements of
mankind.
The modern, social notion of "gens" is
objectively, economically represented by the work collective
of an enterprise – the collective body, which is responsible
for the output of labour product suitable for public exchange.
Today these operative "gentes" with their work force and their
technological organisation are owned by the
merchant-capitalist, the owner of building and tools. But if
the ownership of work force and production technologies is
transferred into the hands of this production collective body
(numbering about 100 persons), then we get a self-reproducing,
and self-governing collectivity – a gens – of a new, civilised
generation, i. e., using the modern language, a commune, a
production and reproduction social cell.
The cell structure of the communist society
liberated from the private, capitalist owners-hucksters should
envisage a scientific and objective equivalent of exchange of
labour product with respect to its value and use value. The scientific
and objective equivalent of exchange will also determine the
functional structure of the communist social system. The
calculation of this equivalent and of the communist system, as
well as the ownership of the material means of production in
the first phase of communism entirely fall on the shoulders of
the state of dictatorship of the proletariat. By the way,
that's where the succession of the first phase of communism
and the last phase of capitalism lies.